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"I am not sure if it was on the news wherever my fellow not_arsefaces reside but Steve Irwin is currently in trouble for having his daughter in a crocodile pit with him. Apprently this was placing his child in harms way. However I think as the child is obviously going to growing up with her father she is going to be in harms way most of the time. Is it more important for a person to make mistakes and run risks and learn from their mistakes or to be protected from the mistakes in the first place? Kinda like a hotplate, is it better to touch a hotplate and get burned and never touch the hotplate again or take the hotplate away so that you will never get burned?


-cyclops"

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From:pookizegreat
Date:January 6th, 2004 12:02 pm (UTC)
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Well, it's been all over the news up here in Canada, and I believe I've seen a couple US talk shows featuring it while hanging around the livingroom.

Now this is a hard thing to debate, but IMO, the man is a professional. I mean, so far I haven't met a single person who hasn't known about him. He is famous for being able to be around these dangerous animals, and crocs in particular, and hardly ever get burned. Now so far I haven't heard about that particular animal's relationship with Steve. Perhaps it's one he's been performing with for a particularly long time, and feels very safe with, which is really what I think the case must be, as despite his own recklessness, he seems to be very fond of his family and doesn't strike me as the type of man who would put his children in a particularly precarious situation.

If it was an amateur, or some croc he wasn't very familiar with, I'd be much more angry about it, but as it is, I think the point is (assuming it's one he's familiar with), he knew that there was little chance of his child being hurt, and it's not like he doesn't have assistants etc, etc if the animal gets riled up.

And as far as what katiger mentioned, about the whole "better to be burned once and know than to be sheltered and curious" deal, I mean seriously is there any debate? I mean, as soon as this kid's old enough to understand (I mean I think it's not old enough to talk yet, it didn't look so, but maybe I'm just ignorant of the whole learning-to-speak process), Steve and his wife will be telling the kid that yes these things are dangerous, but you should be CAUTIOUS, not afraid, so long as you learn all you can. And yes, agreed, caution does demand a certain degree of fear, but not so much that you're terrified of making the wrong move.

The difference between what would happen if his kid met a croc after being sheltered from them all his/her life in the wild, and what would happen if Steve continues the learning and familiarity he's enforcing now and he/she met a croc in the wild is that the sheltered kid would pretty much be "Alright, I'm dead" and the expert kid would make an effort to survive and would KNOW how to make their best chance of survival.

So, all in all, yes it was risky, yes it was controversial, and yes he could have killed/seriously injured his kid, but let's face it, we're all dying from the moment we first exist and any moment something could unexpectedly kill us, we could be hit by a car, the sun could explode, we could have heart attack ... nothing's impossible, and fear just makes your moments of life unbearable.
From:_sophieg
Date:January 6th, 2004 12:53 pm (UTC)
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Specifically on the Steve Irwin case, I agree with pookizegreat. Steve Irwin, despite being a bit idiotic and reckless at times, seems to know what he's doing. Obviously I don't know the man, but I'd imagine his child means a lot to him.

Is it more important for a person to make mistakes and run risks and learn from their mistakes or to be protected from the mistakes in the first place?

"Learn from the mistakes of others, you'll never have enough time to make them all for yourself."

Although I agree with that quote somewhat (which came from an joke mailing list, btw), I don't think people should lead an entirely sheltered life. You could delve in to lots of things with this issue e.g.: taking drugs just to experiment and see if it's really a risk.

I think it depends on who is involved and what the issue is.

And yes, I know, a fairly short response, but I'm tired.
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From:pookizegreat
Date:January 6th, 2004 01:03 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, definitely. I mean getting addicted to heroin "just to see how hard it really is to break the habit"? Not such a great idea. But again, Steve's an expert (fuck knows I'd've ran away screaming in his place most of the time).
From:_sophieg
Date:January 6th, 2004 01:20 pm (UTC)
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*Wildlife presenter whisper:* Now here was have the burrow of the most *dangerous* and *venomous* snake in the *world*. It could kill me in *three minutes*. We're twenty minutes from the nearest hospital, which is nothing more than a wooden shack with a sink and a few packs of paracetamol.

Let's just stick my hand down here and see if the little fella wants to come out...

I'm hardly exaggerating too *grins*
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From:pookizegreat
Date:January 6th, 2004 01:31 pm (UTC)
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*dies laughing*

Waitaminute ... how am I typing? I'm dead!

Oh dear God I'm a ZOMBIE!

Don't mind me ... I'm hyper, sugar-filled, and listening to the Nightmare Before Christmas soundtrack. *giggle*
From:_sophieg
Date:January 6th, 2004 01:34 pm (UTC)
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I've seen him do that particular stick-the-hand-in-the-burrow show several times.

I am well versed in the Crocodile Hunter, I used to know the entire advert off by heart. Yes, I watched Discovery. Not very often, but it was on at the right time, so I saw pretty much every single episode several times. They might have made more now though.
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